CCTV in Charlbury Streets ?

Sun 6 May 2018, 12:22

Another break in / burglary reported- Come on Russell, what's the solution ?

Mon 29 Jan 2018, 11:08

Richard, thank you. I appreciate that you have clarified this. I hope that you get well soon.

Mon 29 Jan 2018, 09:35

Don't test my clucking patience!

Mon 29 Jan 2018, 09:33

Please can we have a ruling on the use of the term 'chicken' in comparable circumstances, Richard?

Sun 28 Jan 2018, 22:44

Rosemary, I would really appreciate it if we could refrain from personal comments such as "cowardly". Alex is Flynn and Angus is Bentall. I would very much like to enforce the full-name requirement but it needs time for me to finish recoding the website such that user accounts can easily be merged and renamed, which at the moment is a complex process. That is entirely my fault and no-one else's, so fully mea culpa, and in turn it's largely due to other Charlbury commitments over the past year (and ruddy flu over the past month) that I haven't been able to finish it. If, until then, everyone could refrain from calling everyone else cowards that would be really lovely. Thank you.

Sun 28 Jan 2018, 22:26

Are you too cowardly to tell us who you are, Alex F and Angus B? Man up, the pair of you!

Sun 28 Jan 2018, 21:31

I am with Philip - he seems to live in the real world.

Sun 28 Jan 2018, 09:16 (last edited on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 09:28)

In case anyone wants to take those ideas further, here are a few pointers that come not from a total layman:-

1. Any cameras fixed on, over or adjacent to the public highway must be fitted on Highways Agency approved bracketry.

2. Any images produced need to be of evidential quality in order to be admissible in court.

3. Any data generated (images / registration plate reads etc) is covered by Data Protection. there are restrictions on who views and handles such data and how long it is kept.

4. There are protocols to meet in order to access the DVLA databases.

5. Hypothecation of revenues is unlikely to be permitted for anything other than driver education.

The Evenlode bridge has neither a height nor a width restriction, but does have a 7.5 tonne weight limit. Some horse lorries for example are sub 7.5 tonnes GVW - not that I would want to drive one up or down Station Hill!

Sat 27 Jan 2018, 23:08

Actually, I believe a fire engine driver needs an HGV licence.

Sat 27 Jan 2018, 20:28 (last edited on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 08:51)

Mark - I get your point, but CCTV needs to be real time and deliver images of evidential quality to be of much use (if at all) e.g. raids on Cotswold Camping and cash machines here and in CN using stolen vehicles. There is more to it than sticking a Kodak Box Brownie on the end of an insecure pole!:-)

Rosemary - I'm NOT trolling anyone, but the thread was originally more about crime than HGVs and not about public transport. Don't be surprised if people pull others up for going off thread or hold a different view to your own.

Fri 26 Jan 2018, 18:50 (last edited on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 19:05)

The originator thought that this would be a worthy topic and without having specialist knowledge of equipment I would make the simple response

1- Maybe The Co op needs to extend its current CCTV system to cover the entrance

This would be about £70.00 for an additional camera ? Plus fitting

A lot less than a set or purpose made Aluminium doors I would suggest

2- A basic system of less than £ 500 , triggered by a laser when high vehicles pass able to commence a recording process and " a movement log " possibly located in the grounds of the Cricket Club would look after down town Dyers Hill .
This is less than the fines imposed for one vehicle getting caught.

Maybe if any revenue obtained went to good causes someone would be happy to spend 10 minutes a day reviewing any captured images and reporting

I don't think it needs someone staring at a screen for 16 hrs a day ?

Maybe the originators simple thoughts can be developed by someone to see if this is viable while they arrange to have their wing mirror replaced at a cost in excess of a simple recording device.

Maybe someone with a bit more time can consider this ? Maybe , or Russell - I'm am sure you have another option for a state of the art Sentry Box at 5 ways , with solar panel LED search lights and no plastic windows - Certainly Not !

Fri 26 Jan 2018, 17:08

Philip, I am so sorry, but I can't be bothered with all this negativity and lack of imagination! I just disagree with you so completely. I was looking for ideas, and I get 'trolled'. Fire appliances are not the same size as HGVs, by the way.

Fri 26 Jan 2018, 08:32 (last edited on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 08:38)

This thread started about crime, hence my comment Charlbury is not Slough. Cannot see how an integrated public transport system is relevant to this, nor indeed to reducing the HGVs. HGVs deliver goods not people.

By the way, what happens if a resident needs a fire appliance to attend? They are often first responders to medical emergencies as well as fires.Physical HGV barriers unworkable

Thu 25 Jan 2018, 18:12 (last edited on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 18:13)

Thanks Alan, yes, but they don't necessarily follow instructions and as long as the road is wide enough to take them, there is nothing to stop them. There is no external agent monitoring traffic flow, and Charlbury certainly isn't Slough, so a physical narrowing of the road entrance is the only thing to stop HGVs traversing down lanes and narrow roads, and then having to reverse back. So, they then have to find another way round it, and they presumably do, or 'they' have to send smaller delivery vehicles. By my logic, there is absolutely no reason to not physically stop them.
Philip, I understand the problems associated with diesel versus everything else, and there is a much bigger debate to be had on all of this. I remember Tony Blair's new cabinet with his deputy, John Prescott. I was impressed when Prescott said that his priority was going to be an integrated public transport system. Yeah! Never happened, and that's why we are where we are, now. It could have been so different by now had that gone ahead, don't you think?

Wed 24 Jan 2018, 18:33

Did the originator of this post stop to think of the capital cost of a worthwhile and viable scheme? Probably not. As to revenue costs - maintenance and monitoring - certainly not!

Some towns that went down this route when grants were available in the early 2000s have discontinued or reduced coverage of such schemes due to expense. Charlbury is not Slough.

Re weight limits etc, entirely agree HGVs not welcome, but before imposing new limits, who is monitoring and enforcing existing limits?

By the way, ease up on diesels! - Gordon Brown's government encouraged us to buy them in order to lower CO2 levels. Now NOX is the villain, but mostly in major conurbations. Recent slump in sales of diesels / increased sales of petrol cars caused rise in CO2. Muddled government thinking and policy decisions causing uncertainty in the market and production cutbacks at Jaguar Land Rover.

Like it or not, most goods arrive at the shops delivered by diesel vehicles. Electric commercial vehicle viability is some way off yet and will be expensive to buy and run so you will pay in the end. A new vehicle of any type is resource hungry no matter what its form of propulsion. Not all electricity comes from renewable sources.

Wed 24 Jan 2018, 13:57

Rosemary There is a 7.5t weight limit on all roads in central Charlbury, except for busses and access. This includes Dancers Hill (there is a weight limit sign at the junction with the Slade), so unless the lorry needed to access a property along Dancers Hill or Pooles Lane, it had no business to be there.

Tue 23 Jan 2018, 13:58

To address one of your points, Mark. From first-hand experience, we are now regularly seeing articulated trucks, some the largest types of wholesale delivery vehicles on the roads, driving down Dancers Hill, only to find that they can't get through the narrow gap between all the various types of vehicles parked on Pooles Lane on their left, and the rails around the Playing Close on their right. (Often there are vehicles parked on Pooles Lane, all day, and some for days on end.) The large vehicles then have to reverse all the way back to the foot of Dancers Hill, narrowly avoiding parked vans and cars on the hill itself, where they can just about turn round and head off. There seem to be two things that could improve this almost immediately. One, to put a limited time allowance on parked cars in Pooles Lane and Dancers Hill, with certain exceptions for street residents' parking, such as you find in towns elsewhere, and secondly, to ban HGVs from accessing Dancers Hill. If there isn't the capacity for this sort of traffic, and very obviously there is not, the traffic needs to be re-routed to wider roads. This kind of traffic is blighting not only Dancers Hill and Pooles Lane, but the entire centre of the town, and we all know it. We must have some further restrictions and alternatives to deal with these large vehicles ploughing through the town when they do not even need to be here. They are just following their satnavs, damaging wing mirrors, and carving up the road edgings and paved areas, as they come and go. Not to mention the hazard to pedestrians and the toxicity to the environment, of all these diesel-engined vehicles.

Mon 22 Jan 2018, 22:09

Oi Russel allow abusing mark don

Mon 22 Jan 2018, 12:22

Perhaps Charlbury should erect gates by the new signs and get some security guards. Then all the problems would be solved. A bit like Zermatt residents should only be allowed electric cars using locally generated power. All deliveries to the town should use ox cart as this was probably the original weight limit for the bridge. To cover the night time period we could get a couple of Charles Bronson's to roam the streets sorting out an "local" problems

Sun 21 Jan 2018, 20:30

As long as you're happy to pay for and review all the footage I'm totally up for it. On the other hand Charlbury is hardly the mean streets of Oxfordshire so is it really necessary?

Sun 21 Jan 2018, 11:40

An increase of crime recently in Charlbury - Break ins ,Ram Raiding , damage to vehicles , excessive speeding and large vehicles ignoring weight restrictions . Technology would allow a large proportion of events to be recorded and assist in reducing this growing trend . A possible topic for the Town Council to consider . What do the residents of Charlbury think ?